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January 20th, 2007

...just so I can link stuff to here to get the widest range of answers to someone I've been arguing with for about the last 11 hours·ish.

Yesterday I asked a question that had nothing to do with whether or not Jesus literally was God made flesh, though I included it in a preamble to better define the question I actually was asking, when this particular person decided to bypass the question and concentrate on the preamble. There's been a lot of going back and forth on this one issue but the biggest problem I'm having with him is that he insists that anyone who claims to be Christian but does not believe that Jesus was God made flesh, not just the son of, is actually not a Christian.

So, here's the three levelled question for you:
  • Do you believe Jesus was God or not?

  • If you don't believe Jesus was God do you think this automatically means you're not Christian?

  • Why is it you feel you are Christian even though you don't believe this supposedly undeniable fact?

Have fun with it, the connecting post, with all the linkage from the answering places, will be in my journal but not immediately. I know there's those of you that feel as I do, that Jesus/Yeshua wasn't literally God. I'm just trying to show this to de guy in question while showing that holding this opinion doesn't automatically get you booted out of the Church.

January 16th, 2007

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so, i've realized alot lately. i've realized how much i used to be in love with God...and how 'tight' we used to be. now, its changed. 
...i want that back so bad.
its going to take me awhile to get back to where i was with Him, but i know i can do it. if God knows i'm willing He's right there waiting with open arms. :) and that makes me smile. 
i want to be the role model i used to be. i used to be someone who was looked up to as the 'perfect christian', even though i knew i wasn't perfect, i was still considered strong, and people recognized that. i want that back too.
i'm going to put my relationship with God first again. for awhile its been in the back.  i need to allow God to be 'front and center.' :) its going to be hard, but i'm going to have to make my relationship with God more important than the one with my boyfriend...which is the way it shouldve been; and for a little bit of time...it was. 
i've fallen away from who i used to be. and i figured it was because 'everyone changes'...i did a complete 360 turnaround. 
thankfully, i know i still have God, and of course my best friend//boyfriend to help me through all of this. 
and hopefully, in the end, both me and houston will come out of this stronger. 
i'm praying.
and, please pray for me.
its going to be a bumpy ride....

January 8th, 2007

9:48 PM 1/7/07 · I'm rather well known for a number of things. There's the fact I tend to ask direct and blatantly raw questions, oftimes none that anyone thought to put forth before. There's also the fact I'm something of a big goofball. Together they aren't a deadly combo but one should be wary nonetheless.

While I don't post every bizarre religious query to every single religious comm I'm a member of...I do post stuff across the board quite a bit. The responses I tend to view as holy wars...not just because I find the sudden outpouring of information to be happy inducing, evn the stuff I don't necessarily agree with, but because of the number of arguments/debates that erupt in the threads of each of these communities. Course, I get a number of people that end their comments with "I'll pray for you" which is nice and all but kinda gives the impression that because I came up with the initial post there's something worrisome or wrong with me.

Not so sure I'm thrilled about that but I'll take what support I can get.

A stretch back I put a list together of a bunch of random thoughts regarding Jesus, one of which was that I kinda hoped he at least knew the pleasure of a woman sometime before his crucifixtion. It was not intended to be sacriligious, nor as an insult to his image in any way...I just thought it would've been nice. It's kind of the beauty of random thoughts.

That whole random element thingamabob.

Last week I put up a post wondering what is it about a rabbi that they can have sex and marry but a priest cannot. The answers were very helpful in that but it brought up an interesting point which kinda reminded me on that little bit from my list. The defining point was that a priest and a rabbi aren't exactly the same thing...that a rabbi is more of a teacher than a religious officiary. Also that it is one of the guiding principles, from the Torah and by extension the Bible, that we should be fruitful and multiply. Hence...rabbis are bit with the multipliying.

You know, there could be a good pun in there for the similarity between rabbi and rabbit seeing as bunnies are all about multiplication.

Now while the people that followed the teachings of Jesus, a hundred or so years after his passing, are Christians he was not. Jesus was Jewish and a simple man...once you get passed that whole Son of God bit. I've never bought into the whole Lord & Savior bit because while I do accept the latter the former is quite askew to me. He wasn't a lord, the man never wanted special treatment and set it aside when it was offered. He was very charismatic and insightful and, above all else, a teacher.

Jewish...

Religious...

Teacher...

...I say Jesus was a rabbi.

Besides the teaching and other things that go with the title...there's that whole "fruitful & multiply" clause.

There's been a lotta debate since his time to now that Jesus might've had siblings, that Joseph & Mary had other children. Wouldn't it be even more interesting if Jesus himself had children. Be it with the ever controversial Mary Magdelyne or some other nice lady that made that special connection with the guy...I for one find the concept that Jesus may've had his own family and children to be a beautiful thing.

So, why is it that so many seem to find the concept of Jesus going to the happy place (having sex) being a bad thing/sacriligious/an affront to God? I mean he has a wife, they do the deed, there's children...

...what a concept to have the descendents of God wandering around the world to this day.

December 22nd, 2006

Happy Holidays!

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In my continued quest to come up with a question that no one can quote scripture at me for...

Let's say, hypothetically, God pops up in front of you and asks for a cookie. What kind would you get?

Obviously there's no wrong answer to this but feel free to explain your response.

November 24th, 2006

Hi everyone,

I just wanted to give you all a heads up that there are some management changes happening with this community. Christine, my fellow moderator and community creator, has decided to leave LiveJournal for personal reasons, and in doing so, has deleted her LiveJournal. So now, it's just me moderating and maintaining the community. That being said, I am looking for someone to be a co-moderator of sorts. It's a minimal effort job; pretty much the only thing to do is approve new community members (or deny them if their journals and profiles are in direct conflict to the goals of this community... and yes, we do get some strange requests). It's a job I could handle myself with ease, but real life obligations don't always allow me to be on LiveJournal, and so I'm looking for a backup in case I'm not able to be around. I only need one person, so please feel free to email me if interested (my email address is in the community profile).

I hope you're all well.

Shauna

November 16th, 2006

What brought it up this time was a discussion with someone and he seemed kinda down on Jesus, saying that the man only preached himself and how he was the son of God and any number of other things that were all fairly self promoting. My take was that we only have the Bible's say on what Jesus did or did not say. The people that bound the Bible could've taken a little artistic license or just omitted whole bits of what the man actually said and what we've got are scattered bits out of context.

I mean really: there's not a body on this earth that can attest to having heard anything Jesus said firsthand.

This got me to thinking though. Jesus had a whole bunch of followers (disciples) and they all wrote down things that're in the Bible. Now given that Jesus was reading at an early age and reinterpreting scripture to boot...it stands to reason the guy could write.

Why is there no Book of Jesus? Everybody else has got a Book, segment in the Bible that a body can hardly ask a religious question without others quoting a passage to them from. Did Jesus write one and it got lost or did he simply not write anything at all?

Anybody know anything on this? Or have I just wandered a bit too far into my happy place?
12:05 PM 11/12/06 · It's so interesting how the littlest thing can cause conflict. Christianity is, more or less, Judaism with just the tiniest difference in opinion regarding who the Messiah is. I've even heard it said that there are those that think the fact that the heads of the Hebrew faith, back then...not now, were backing the Roman Empire in executing Jesus might also be a fair point of contention.

Let's ignore most of that for just a sec.

The Christians believe that Jesus is the Messiah, sometimes referred to as Jesus H. Christ even though I'm fairly certain that is not the family name that Mary & Joseph ever used, but his own people don't...

...or didn't...

...pick a tense.

So, what I'd like to know is what is it the Hebrew faith, and the Jewish people since it seems even the unfaithful were looking forward to the arrival, thought Jesus was lacking so as to not be the Messiah. Religions, regardless of what form they take, are really big with signs and omens and qualities. It seems likely that there were supposed to be a number of events, qualities in the person, sigils, and God knows what else so that when the Messiah popped up everybody would know.

Only everybody didn't know.

So, that brings us to some interesting questions:
  • Does anyone know how the Messiah was supposed to be known prior to Jesus popping up?

  • How long was Jesus alive before the Messiah tag was attached?

  • When Jesus was established as the Messiah what was it about him that made some of the faithful disbelieve this?

  • On the offchance they make another movie, and you know they will, who do you think should play Jesus?

Okay, maybe not so much that last one.

Not that I necessarily think Jesus was the Messiah...frankly I don't care one way or the other. He was a very great guy who had some very important things to say and that's good enough for me.

October 9th, 2006

God made me goofy

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Do you suppose Jesus was a cat person or a dog person?

Why do you feel this way?

September 26th, 2006

Hi all. I know it seems this is pretty much the only thing I post these days, but this is rather important. Some/most of you may have heard about the 143,000 acre wildfire burning north of Los Angeles for the last few weeks. Today, we got a phone call from my Uncle Joe, who lives in Frazier Park. They've been evacuated; the firefighters in their area basically lost control of the fire as it flared up this afternoon. The fire is less than a mile from their house, and it looks like it's headed right for them. My aunt, uncle, and cousins are all safe (as are my grandmothers ashes...don't ask), but if you could all keep them in your thoughts and prayers, it would be most appreciated. I was watching a video feed of the Channel 7 news out of Los Angeles, and they were saying that it could be December before this fire is out.

Thank you.

cross-posted to my journal

September 13th, 2006

A friend had a survey/Q&A posted to their journal and it was filled with a host of weird question but it was the 1st one that really caught me eye:

1. You and Jesus go out to dinner. Who pays?

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